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Done Dreamin' 08/21/06: At Neiafu, the crossroads of the Pacific

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poohwen@comcast.net
Tue, Aug 22, 2006 4:38 PM

#114 NOW August 21, 2006  1700 (UTC -11 hours Samoa Standard Time)
S16021 W173010,  Temperature 84,  Pressure 1007 mb,  Heading 0100 magnetic
Scattered Clouds, Wind 0250@ 7 kts, Swell from NE at 6 feet, Para-vanes down,
190 Miles to Go, SOG 5.2 kts, 1400 RPM, ETA Apia  Approximately 0700
Wednesday

Greetings from the International Date Line,

We are just now crossing the International Date
Line that lies between Tonga and Samoa.  Thus, we
are now UTC  11 hours, or for those on the west
coast of the U.S. we are now in your time -4
hours on the same day.  We get a second chance at
living Tuesday over again, not that we have any
complaints about this Tuesday.  This was a
delightful day on a tropical ocean with light
winds under 10 knots.  The big event of this day
was landing two big Mahi Mahi.

To bring you up to date we arrived at Neiafu,
Tonga, cleared customs, and set about enjoying
these beautiful islands.  Last Saturday we
anchored out at my favorite island, Nuki.  This
is the quintessential tropical Island with palm
trees, sandy beaches, and crystal clear coves in
which to drop an anchor.  On our way across the
Pacific we enjoyed this same little bit if
paradise.

Neiafu is the meeting place of yachties from
all over the world.  You will see boats flying
flags from many different countries.  It was good
to see my friends, the Wilsons from the yacht
Tackless.  On the way over, we meet them in
Raiatea where they helped work out some of the
problems with the watermaker.  They were amazed
that we had cruised so much of the Pacific.

I have received several questions about our
fishing that we do from the boat.  To be honest I
am completely ignorant on the subject having only
caught one fish in my entire life.  However,
Rainer the resident expert has agreed to a
paragraph describing his equipment and skills.
He is also a good teacher as apprentice Kirk just
caught the biggest fish to datea very large Mahi
Mahi (Dorado).  Guess whats for super.  Here are
Rainer's secrets.

<<I use 24 kg (50 pound) test line, Penn reels,
stiff boat rods, multi colored teasers, which
only have one hook and are made out of rubber.
The water temperature is about 850 (290 C.),
which is perfect for these types of tropical game
fish.  Unfortunately, Done Dreamin does not have
rod holders so we had to rig up some temporary
ones.  When the fish hooks on, the rods start to
scream as the fish takes off with the lure.  At
this point, we all spring into action, bringing
the engine back to idle, recovering the screaming
rod, setting the hook, and grabbing a camera to
document the event.  The fish are in the 20 to 30
pound range thus we need a gaff to bring them
onboard.  Once on board they are killed, bled,
and washed down with salt water.  After
filleting, they are placed in the refrigerator or
the frying pan.  This battle between fish and
fisherman lasts for about 20 minutes with both
worn out.  This is followed by a recovery period,
which includes a cool beer.>>

Life is a Cruise

Larry, Rainer, and Kirk

Larry Rick
Done Dreamin'
Nordhavn 40 #33
Site: http://gricknet.homedns.org/Dads%20Web/doneDreamnHome.htm

#114 NOW August 21, 2006 1700 (UTC -11 hours Samoa Standard Time) S16021 W173010, Temperature 84, Pressure 1007 mb, Heading 0100 magnetic Scattered Clouds, Wind 0250@ 7 kts, Swell from NE at 6 feet, Para-vanes down, 190 Miles to Go, SOG 5.2 kts, 1400 RPM, ETA Apia  Approximately 0700 Wednesday Greetings from the International Date Line, We are just now crossing the International Date Line that lies between Tonga and Samoa. Thus, we are now UTC  11 hours, or for those on the west coast of the U.S. we are now in your time -4 hours on the same day. We get a second chance at living Tuesday over again, not that we have any complaints about this Tuesday. This was a delightful day on a tropical ocean with light winds under 10 knots. The big event of this day was landing two big Mahi Mahi. To bring you up to date we arrived at Neiafu, Tonga, cleared customs, and set about enjoying these beautiful islands. Last Saturday we anchored out at my favorite island, Nuki. This is the quintessential tropical Island with palm trees, sandy beaches, and crystal clear coves in which to drop an anchor. On our way across the Pacific we enjoyed this same little bit if paradise. Neiafu is the meeting place of yachties from all over the world. You will see boats flying flags from many different countries. It was good to see my friends, the Wilsons from the yacht Tackless. On the way over, we meet them in Raiatea where they helped work out some of the problems with the watermaker. They were amazed that we had cruised so much of the Pacific. I have received several questions about our fishing that we do from the boat. To be honest I am completely ignorant on the subject having only caught one fish in my entire life. However, Rainer the resident expert has agreed to a paragraph describing his equipment and skills. He is also a good teacher as apprentice Kirk just caught the biggest fish to datea very large Mahi Mahi (Dorado). Guess whats for super. Here are Rainer's secrets. <<I use 24 kg (50 pound) test line, Penn reels, stiff boat rods, multi colored teasers, which only have one hook and are made out of rubber. The water temperature is about 850 (290 C.), which is perfect for these types of tropical game fish. Unfortunately, Done Dreamin does not have rod holders so we had to rig up some temporary ones. When the fish hooks on, the rods start to scream as the fish takes off with the lure. At this point, we all spring into action, bringing the engine back to idle, recovering the screaming rod, setting the hook, and grabbing a camera to document the event. The fish are in the 20 to 30 pound range thus we need a gaff to bring them onboard. Once on board they are killed, bled, and washed down with salt water. After filleting, they are placed in the refrigerator or the frying pan. This battle between fish and fisherman lasts for about 20 minutes with both worn out. This is followed by a recovery period, which includes a cool beer.>> Life is a Cruise Larry, Rainer, and Kirk -- Larry Rick Done Dreamin' Nordhavn 40 #33 Site: http://gricknet.homedns.org/Dads%20Web/doneDreamnHome.htm
BC
Brian Chiko
Mon, Aug 28, 2006 4:46 AM

Hi everyone,

I added some photos from the recent visit of the Earthrace boat visit to San
Francisco - to my blog.  You can check them out here (click on the photos to
get a larger image).

http://briancphoto.blogspot.com/

Here are some photos of the boat at speed:

http://www.cld.co.nz/earthracelarge3.htm

http://www.cld.co.nz/earthrace.htm

and here are some "consumer" and "patrol" versions of the same boat, that
are being built:

http://www.cld.co.nz/tri_20m.htm

Brian

Hi everyone, I added some photos from the recent visit of the Earthrace boat visit to San Francisco - to my blog. You can check them out here (click on the photos to get a larger image). http://briancphoto.blogspot.com/ Here are some photos of the boat at speed: http://www.cld.co.nz/earthracelarge3.htm http://www.cld.co.nz/earthrace.htm and here are some "consumer" and "patrol" versions of the same boat, that are being built: http://www.cld.co.nz/tri_20m.htm Brian
SD
Steven Dubnoff
Mon, Aug 28, 2006 7:06 PM

The Dashews just published their fuel consumption figures for their
trip to Alaska.  At an average speed 11.3 knots, fuel consumption was
1.76 nautical gallons per mile.  I think it is clear that for
efficiency anyway, long and skinney is the way to go....

http://www.setsail.com/dashew/Fuel_Use_AK.html

Best,

Steve

Steve Dubnoff
1966 Willard Pilothouse
www.mvnereid.com
sdubnoff@circlesys.com

The Dashews just published their fuel consumption figures for their trip to Alaska. At an average speed 11.3 knots, fuel consumption was 1.76 nautical gallons per mile. I think it is clear that for efficiency anyway, long and skinney is the way to go.... http://www.setsail.com/dashew/Fuel_Use_AK.html Best, Steve Steve Dubnoff 1966 Willard Pilothouse www.mvnereid.com sdubnoff@circlesys.com
PP
Peter Pisciotta
Mon, Aug 28, 2006 9:44 PM

The Dashews just published their
fuel consumption
figures for their
trip to Alaska.  At an average
speed 11.3 knots,
fuel consumption was
1.76 nautical gallons per mile.

A couple notes about the Dashew's trials:

  1. Perfomance statistics were mostly calm water ("a
    few hours of 10-knot winds on the nose").

  2. In years past, the Dashew's perfomance claims for
    Deerfoot sailboats were opportunistically 'parsed'
    resulting in very optimistic performance data (imagine
    that: a boat builder presenting optimistic performance
    data...). This was unfortunate as the Deerfoot's
    performance was indeed solid, just not quite as
    advertised.

(www.latitude38.com/letters/200011.htm
www.latitude38.com/letters/200101.htm
Search page for "Dashew")

While I have no basis to doubt the Unsailboat
performance figures, I do think it highlights a common
industry practice of extrapolating protected water
performance to offshore performance and range. The
Dashew's suggest their Unsailboat design can transit
in difficult weather conditions, and while I'm sure it
can (it's truly an amazing design, and well executed),
I think it misleading. Personally, I'd like to see
performance data for boats when operated in the manner
in which they will be used.

Peter
W36 Sedan
SeaSkills.com

=======================
Peter Pisciotta
415-902-8439

> The Dashews just published their > fuel consumption > figures for their > trip to Alaska. At an average > speed 11.3 knots, > fuel consumption was > 1.76 nautical gallons per mile. A couple notes about the Dashew's trials: 1. Perfomance statistics were mostly calm water ("a few hours of 10-knot winds on the nose"). 2. In years past, the Dashew's perfomance claims for Deerfoot sailboats were opportunistically 'parsed' resulting in very optimistic performance data (imagine that: a boat builder presenting optimistic performance data...). This was unfortunate as the Deerfoot's performance was indeed solid, just not quite as advertised. (www.latitude38.com/letters/200011.htm www.latitude38.com/letters/200101.htm Search page for "Dashew") While I have no basis to doubt the Unsailboat performance figures, I do think it highlights a common industry practice of extrapolating protected water performance to offshore performance and range. The Dashew's suggest their Unsailboat design can transit in difficult weather conditions, and while I'm sure it can (it's truly an amazing design, and well executed), I think it misleading. Personally, I'd like to see performance data for boats when operated in the manner in which they will be used. Peter W36 Sedan SeaSkills.com ======================= Peter Pisciotta 415-902-8439
MM
Mike Maurice
Mon, Aug 28, 2006 10:13 PM

trip to Alaska.  At an average speed 11.3 knots, fuel consumption was
1.76 nautical gallons per mile.  I think it is clear that for

Steven,
You meant 1.76 nautical miles per gallon?

Or, 1.76 gallons per nautical mile?

Eh, what??

Regards,
Mike

trip to Alaska. At an average speed 11.3 knots, fuel consumption was 1.76 nautical gallons per mile. I think it is clear that for Steven, You meant 1.76 nautical miles per gallon? Or, 1.76 gallons per nautical mile? Eh, what?? Regards, Mike
SD
Steven Dubnoff
Tue, Aug 29, 2006 12:38 AM

You meant 1.76 nautical miles per gallon?

Or, 1.76 gallons per nautical mile?

Eh, what??

I meant the former (please excuse my advancing senility), although
the concept of a "nautical gallon" is intriguing.  I think that it is
a potential unit of measure for the overpriced fuel you buy at the
dock, sort of like a "boat buck" or a "nautical dollar".

Steve Dubnoff
1966 Willard Pilothouse
www.mvnereid.com
sdubnoff@circlesys.com

>You meant 1.76 nautical miles per gallon? > >Or, 1.76 gallons per nautical mile? > >Eh, what?? I meant the former (please excuse my advancing senility), although the concept of a "nautical gallon" is intriguing. I think that it is a potential unit of measure for the overpriced fuel you buy at the dock, sort of like a "boat buck" or a "nautical dollar". Steve Dubnoff 1966 Willard Pilothouse www.mvnereid.com sdubnoff@circlesys.com
SD
Steven Dubnoff
Tue, Aug 29, 2006 12:52 AM

The Dashew's suggest their Unsailboat design can transit
in difficult weather conditions, and while I'm sure it
can (it's truly an amazing design, and well executed),
I think it misleading. Personally, I'd like to see
performance data for boats when operated in the manner
in which they will be used.

There is more data on their website see, for instance, the numbers
for their rough, upwind trip from Hawaii to California:

http://www.setsail.com/dashew/Fuel-HI_CA.html

If other designer/builders were half as explicit about what worked
and did not work in real world travel, we would be all better
off.  See for instance their recap of "How things are working out"

http://www.setsail.com/dashew/real_world_analysis.html

where they analyze system by system what worked and what didn't and
how they would do things differently.

Best,

Steve

Steve Dubnoff
1966 Willard Pilothouse
www.mvnereid.com
sdubnoff@circlesys.com

>The Dashew's suggest their Unsailboat design can transit >in difficult weather conditions, and while I'm sure it >can (it's truly an amazing design, and well executed), >I think it misleading. Personally, I'd like to see >performance data for boats when operated in the manner >in which they will be used. There is more data on their website see, for instance, the numbers for their rough, upwind trip from Hawaii to California: http://www.setsail.com/dashew/Fuel-HI_CA.html If other designer/builders were half as explicit about what worked and did not work in real world travel, we would be all better off. See for instance their recap of "How things are working out" http://www.setsail.com/dashew/real_world_analysis.html where they analyze system by system what worked and what didn't and how they would do things differently. Best, Steve Steve Dubnoff 1966 Willard Pilothouse www.mvnereid.com sdubnoff@circlesys.com
PP
Peter Pisciotta
Tue, Aug 29, 2006 1:35 AM

If other designer/builders were half as explicit
about what worked
and did not work in real world travel, we would be
all better
off.  See for instance their recap of "How things
are working out"

I agree - its great information. But of all the
paragraphs of percentages, specific numbers and
minutea, I could not find the very standard cruiser
stat of "We went XXX miles in YY days/hours and burned
ZZZ gallons of diesel." For example, you have to back
into the stats. They left on a Monday morning (one
report), did 2252 miles (another report) at 11 knots
(still another report) - 8-1/2 days (my calculation.
But his log shows 9 days - could it have been 9-1/2
days? (under 10 knots?). Frankly, I don't care that
much - it's a great boat, and a great passage - even
~10 knots would be incredible. I'm envious, and would
love to have made the passage. I'm just skeptical when
the one number(s) I can actually use is obscured by a
lot of interesting data, but no way to triangulate on
it.

Which, by the way, is exactly the point of the
Latitude 38 comments. Nothing personal, I'd just like
more info - and I've seen more people be
way-too-optimistic with figures like these than real.
I don't know the Dashews at all.

For the record, those who are active on the Willard
Boat Owners list know I have voiced skepticism over a
similar claim for a Willard 36 that went from San
Diego to Hawaii in 1986 (330 gallons of diesel, 6
knots). The end of that story: I believe it is likely
the trip was completed as advertised due to a very
likely 1/2 knot favorable current typical during the
October transit.

Peter
W36 Sedan
www.SeaSkills.com

=======================
Peter Pisciotta
415-902-8439

> If other designer/builders were half as explicit > about what worked > and did not work in real world travel, we would be > all better > off. See for instance their recap of "How things > are working out" I agree - its great information. But of all the paragraphs of percentages, specific numbers and minutea, I could not find the very standard cruiser stat of "We went XXX miles in YY days/hours and burned ZZZ gallons of diesel." For example, you have to back into the stats. They left on a Monday morning (one report), did 2252 miles (another report) at 11 knots (still another report) - 8-1/2 days (my calculation. But his log shows 9 days - could it have been 9-1/2 days? (under 10 knots?). Frankly, I don't care that much - it's a great boat, and a great passage - even ~10 knots would be incredible. I'm envious, and would love to have made the passage. I'm just skeptical when the one number(s) I can actually use is obscured by a lot of interesting data, but no way to triangulate on it. Which, by the way, is exactly the point of the Latitude 38 comments. Nothing personal, I'd just like more info - and I've seen more people be way-too-optimistic with figures like these than real. I don't know the Dashews at all. For the record, those who are active on the Willard Boat Owners list know I have voiced skepticism over a similar claim for a Willard 36 that went from San Diego to Hawaii in 1986 (330 gallons of diesel, 6 knots). The end of that story: I believe it is likely the trip was completed as advertised due to a very likely 1/2 knot favorable current typical during the October transit. Peter W36 Sedan www.SeaSkills.com ======================= Peter Pisciotta 415-902-8439
BC
Brian Chiko
Mon, Sep 4, 2006 7:56 PM

Folks,

Some additional recent news stories on the Earthrace boat - with more
details on testing and trials they've done, and boat performance:

"SAN FRANCISCO--It was a June winter night on the sea off New Zealand's
Manukau coast, and Peter Bethune was starting to walk up the wall of his
high-tech powerboat as it succumbed to a 40-foot wave.

Two men in Bethune's crew were seasick on a hemp floor in the galley next to
sacks of organic potatoes and life preservers. Bethune struggled to hang on
to the steering wheel after 12 hours at the helm in stormy weather. He
thought the boat was going to flip, and it was close."

http://news.com.com/A+green+voyage+around+the+globe/2100-11390_3-6107446.htm
l

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/top/earthrace-boat-carbon-trimaran-stabs-through-
waves-video-195323.php

http://eetimes.com/news/semi/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=3XEVV23IO0SZUQSNDL
SCKHA?articleID=192300453

Brian

-----Original Message-----
From: passagemaking-under-power-bounces@lists.samurai.com
[mailto:passagemaking-under-power-bounces@lists.samurai.com] On Behalf Of
Brian Chiko
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 9:47 PM
To: 'Passagemaking Under Power List'
Subject: [PUP] Earthrace Boat Photos - Ultimate Passagemaker

Hi everyone,

I added some photos from the recent visit of the Earthrace boat visit to San
Francisco - to my blog.  You can check them out here (click on the photos to
get a larger image).

http://briancphoto.blogspot.com/

Here are some photos of the boat at speed:

http://www.cld.co.nz/earthracelarge3.htm

http://www.cld.co.nz/earthrace.htm

and here are some "consumer" and "patrol" versions of the same boat, that
are being built:

http://www.cld.co.nz/tri_20m.htm

Brian


Passagemaking-Under-Power Mailing List

Folks, Some additional recent news stories on the Earthrace boat - with more details on testing and trials they've done, and boat performance: "SAN FRANCISCO--It was a June winter night on the sea off New Zealand's Manukau coast, and Peter Bethune was starting to walk up the wall of his high-tech powerboat as it succumbed to a 40-foot wave. Two men in Bethune's crew were seasick on a hemp floor in the galley next to sacks of organic potatoes and life preservers. Bethune struggled to hang on to the steering wheel after 12 hours at the helm in stormy weather. He thought the boat was going to flip, and it was close." http://news.com.com/A+green+voyage+around+the+globe/2100-11390_3-6107446.htm l http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/top/earthrace-boat-carbon-trimaran-stabs-through- waves-video-195323.php http://eetimes.com/news/semi/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=3XEVV23IO0SZUQSNDL SCKHA?articleID=192300453 Brian -----Original Message----- From: passagemaking-under-power-bounces@lists.samurai.com [mailto:passagemaking-under-power-bounces@lists.samurai.com] On Behalf Of Brian Chiko Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 9:47 PM To: 'Passagemaking Under Power List' Subject: [PUP] Earthrace Boat Photos - Ultimate Passagemaker Hi everyone, I added some photos from the recent visit of the Earthrace boat visit to San Francisco - to my blog. You can check them out here (click on the photos to get a larger image). http://briancphoto.blogspot.com/ Here are some photos of the boat at speed: http://www.cld.co.nz/earthracelarge3.htm http://www.cld.co.nz/earthrace.htm and here are some "consumer" and "patrol" versions of the same boat, that are being built: http://www.cld.co.nz/tri_20m.htm Brian _______________________________________________ Passagemaking-Under-Power Mailing List
BC
Brian Chiko
Mon, Sep 4, 2006 8:26 PM

A resend - with smaller URLs/Web links that don't break:

Folks,

Some additional recent news stories on the Earthrace boat - with more
details on testing and trials they've done, and boat performance:

"SAN FRANCISCO--It was a June winter night on the sea off New Zealand's
Manukau coast, and Peter Bethune was starting to walk up the wall of his
high-tech powerboat as it succumbed to a 40-foot wave.

Two men in Bethune's crew were seasick on a hemp floor in the galley next to
sacks of organic potatoes and life preservers. Bethune struggled to hang on
to the steering wheel after 12 hours at the helm in stormy weather. He
thought the boat was going to flip, and it was close."

http://tinyurl.com/z8cwl

http://tinyurl.com/jqfxv

http://tinyurl.com/hjgrc

Brian

-----Original Message-----
From: passagemaking-under-power-bounces@lists.samurai.com
[mailto:passagemaking-under-power-bounces@lists.samurai.com] On Behalf Of
Brian Chiko
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 9:47 PM
To: 'Passagemaking Under Power List'
Subject: [PUP] Earthrace Boat Photos - Ultimate Passagemaker

Hi everyone,

I added some photos from the recent visit of the Earthrace boat visit to San
Francisco - to my blog.  You can check them out here (click on the photos to
get a larger image).

http://briancphoto.blogspot.com/

Here are some photos of the boat at speed:

http://www.cld.co.nz/earthracelarge3.htm

http://www.cld.co.nz/earthrace.htm

and here are some "consumer" and "patrol" versions of the same boat, that
are being built:

http://www.cld.co.nz/tri_20m.htm

Brian


Passagemaking-Under-Power Mailing List

A resend - with smaller URLs/Web links that don't break: --------------- Folks, Some additional recent news stories on the Earthrace boat - with more details on testing and trials they've done, and boat performance: "SAN FRANCISCO--It was a June winter night on the sea off New Zealand's Manukau coast, and Peter Bethune was starting to walk up the wall of his high-tech powerboat as it succumbed to a 40-foot wave. Two men in Bethune's crew were seasick on a hemp floor in the galley next to sacks of organic potatoes and life preservers. Bethune struggled to hang on to the steering wheel after 12 hours at the helm in stormy weather. He thought the boat was going to flip, and it was close." http://tinyurl.com/z8cwl http://tinyurl.com/jqfxv http://tinyurl.com/hjgrc Brian -----Original Message----- From: passagemaking-under-power-bounces@lists.samurai.com [mailto:passagemaking-under-power-bounces@lists.samurai.com] On Behalf Of Brian Chiko Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 9:47 PM To: 'Passagemaking Under Power List' Subject: [PUP] Earthrace Boat Photos - Ultimate Passagemaker Hi everyone, I added some photos from the recent visit of the Earthrace boat visit to San Francisco - to my blog. You can check them out here (click on the photos to get a larger image). http://briancphoto.blogspot.com/ Here are some photos of the boat at speed: http://www.cld.co.nz/earthracelarge3.htm http://www.cld.co.nz/earthrace.htm and here are some "consumer" and "patrol" versions of the same boat, that are being built: http://www.cld.co.nz/tri_20m.htm Brian _______________________________________________ Passagemaking-Under-Power Mailing List