The Art of Electronics
Hello.
In the case someone missed the new, after years of waiting, the third edition
of the book in the subject is out!
I'm a true fan of the second edition and I'm sure I will not be disappointed
by the new one; I should receive it in the beginning of the next week so if
someone is interested in details, feel free to ask.
Best regards,
Andrea Baldoni
In message 20150417074427.GA31953@sol.ermione.com, Andrea Baldoni writes:
Hello.
In the case someone missed the new, after years of waiting, the third edition
of the book in the subject is out!
I received it last week, and yes, it's absolutely worth the money.
--
Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20
phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956
FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe
Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence.
Moin,
On Fri, 17 Apr 2015 08:12:52 +0000
"Poul-Henning Kamp" phk@phk.freebsd.dk wrote:
In message 20150417074427.GA31953@sol.ermione.com, Andrea Baldoni writes:
Hello.
In the case someone missed the new, after years of waiting, the third edition
of the book in the subject is out!
I received it last week, and yes, it's absolutely worth the money.
How does it compare to the gold standard of the Tietze&Schenk?
When i first got my hands on a TAoE a couple of years ago, i was
utterly disapointed. Compared to the T&S it contained hardly any
information. It looked rather like an listing of various circuits
with little explanation how to arrive on these circuits and how
to design those in.
Attila Kinali
--
It is upon moral qualities that a society is ultimately founded. All
the prosperity and technological sophistication in the world is of no
use without that foundation.
-- Miss Matheson, The Diamond Age, Neil Stephenson
In message 20150417101611.df48786f85648c40bb5d0a87@kinali.ch, Attila Kinali w
rites:
I received it last week, and yes, it's absolutely worth the money.
How does it compare to the gold standard of the Tietze&Schenk?
No idea.
You have to remember that not everybody here are professional electronics
people, I'm a software person who knows enough electronics to be useful
without being dangerous, and I've certainly learned a lot from AOE3
over breakfast this past week.
--
Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20
phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956
FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe
Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence.
On Fri, 17 Apr 2015 08:24:38 +0000
"Poul-Henning Kamp" phk@phk.freebsd.dk wrote:
How does it compare to the gold standard of the Tietze&Schenk?
No idea.
If you know a bit of german, get yourself a copy of it.
You will love the in-depth explanations of the various
electronics compontents. Also you can use it to knock
out any burglar, should the need arise ;-)
You have to remember that not everybody here are professional electronics
people, I'm a software person who knows enough electronics to be useful
without being dangerous, and I've certainly learned a lot from AOE3
over breakfast this past week.
True that. The AoE gives at least a nice overview of quite a few
electronics techniques. And probably not the worst thing you can
start with, when you are new to electronics.
That said, I kind of miss the amateur radio/electronics literature
that was so abundant in the 80s. They really did a good job of
introducing various circuits and how successfully build them if
you don't have any professional equipment.
Attila Kinali
--
It is upon moral qualities that a society is ultimately founded. All
the prosperity and technological sophistication in the world is of no
use without that foundation.
-- Miss Matheson, The Diamond Age, Neil Stephenson
In message 20150417103313.94dd9b9c24389d03ab059aab@kinali.ch, Attila Kinali w
rites:
True that. The AoE gives at least a nice overview of quite a few
electronics techniques. And probably not the worst thing you can
start with, when you are new to electronics.
I wouldn't call myself "new to electronics", I built my first computer
in 1978 :-)
--
Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20
phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956
FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe
Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence.
That is precisely the same complaint I had when I got
my copy of AoE. It reminded me greatly of the old
circuits compendiums that McGraw Hill used to publish,
where they simply had every schematic tidbit they could
legally get their hands on published in a huge book.
It is nice to see how someone handled a problem, but
even nicer to get information on how a circuit came
to be.
Sometimes AoE(II) gets into it, and provides design
information, but mostly, it just shows circuits. When
it does get into the theory, it reads like a regurgitation
of Millman.
-Chuck Harris
Attila Kinali wrote:
Moin,
On Fri, 17 Apr 2015 08:12:52 +0000
"Poul-Henning Kamp" phk@phk.freebsd.dk wrote:
In message 20150417074427.GA31953@sol.ermione.com, Andrea Baldoni writes:
Hello.
In the case someone missed the new, after years of waiting, the third edition
of the book in the subject is out!
I received it last week, and yes, it's absolutely worth the money.
How does it compare to the gold standard of the Tietze&Schenk?
When i first got my hands on a TAoE a couple of years ago, i was
utterly disapointed. Compared to the T&S it contained hardly any
information. It looked rather like an listing of various circuits
with little explanation how to arrive on these circuits and how
to design those in.
Attila Kinali
When AoE was released in 1980, the intended audience was electronics
for a non-EE major. How this morphed into an engineering text shows
how what is 'core' has changed. It had a friendly style, akin to
having a instructor with you. AoE was best read in chapter sequence
through the fundamentals, and higher chapters expect readers to know
material from previous chapters without reference to it. On occasion
it used concepts a jump forward but could be figured out by cross
referencing its index. It was a semester course for us back in early 1980s.
AoE v2 updated more in the digital domain with many corrected errata
and typos from V1.
I'd wait for V3 2nd printing or later, as typos from 1st printing are
being reported as well as I read references to unpublished chapter
"Xs" not in this printing.
T&S is an excellent text, if you already know the material and just
need a refresher. It gets to the point quickly.
Only 2 T&S editions were translated to English; German has ?10+
editions. The only edition I ever looked at in print was v1, and it
was $180+ in 1990s, compared to $50 for AoE new, or $20+ used. T&S
used in the USA is harder to find, and few V1 I've seen sell near $100+.
Student or someone with a cursory interest, cost, writing style and
similar breadth could be a tie breaker, AoE V3 sells for ~$100
delivered, and V2 $20-30 used. T&S V2 from 2008 is ~$US260 delivered.
At 04:33 AM 4/17/2015, Attila Kinali wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2015 08:24:38 +0000
"Poul-Henning Kamp" phk@phk.freebsd.dk wrote:
How does it compare to the gold standard of the Tietze&Schenk?
No idea.
If you know a bit of german, get yourself a copy of it.
You will love the in-depth explanations of the various
electronics compontents. Also you can use it to knock
out any burglar, should the need arise ;-)
You have to remember that not everybody here are professional electronics
people, I'm a software person who knows enough electronics to be useful
without being dangerous, and I've certainly learned a lot from AOE3
over breakfast this past week.
True that. The AoE gives at least a nice overview of quite a few
electronics techniques. And probably not the worst thing you can
start with, when you are new to electronics.
That said, I kind of miss the amateur radio/electronics literature
that was so abundant in the 80s. They really did a good job of
introducing various circuits and how successfully build them if
you don't have any professional equipment.
Attila Kinali
$105!!!!
For people with more money than brains.
$30.00 YEAH RIGHT NOW.
72
Adrian KF7DYU
On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 3:25 PM, Marv @ Home marvin.gozum@comcast.net
wrote:
When AoE was released in 1980, the intended audience was electronics for a
non-EE major. How this morphed into an engineering text shows how what is
'core' has changed. It had a friendly style, akin to having a instructor
with you. AoE was best read in chapter sequence through the fundamentals,
and higher chapters expect readers to know material from previous chapters
without reference to it. On occasion it used concepts a jump forward but
could be figured out by cross referencing its index. It was a semester
course for us back in early 1980s.
AoE v2 updated more in the digital domain with many corrected errata and
typos from V1.
I'd wait for V3 2nd printing or later, as typos from 1st printing are
being reported as well as I read references to unpublished chapter "Xs" not
in this printing.
T&S is an excellent text, if you already know the material and just need a
refresher. It gets to the point quickly.
Only 2 T&S editions were translated to English; German has ?10+ editions.
The only edition I ever looked at in print was v1, and it was $180+ in
1990s, compared to $50 for AoE new, or $20+ used. T&S used in the USA is
harder to find, and few V1 I've seen sell near $100+.
Student or someone with a cursory interest, cost, writing style and
similar breadth could be a tie breaker, AoE V3 sells for ~$100 delivered,
and V2 $20-30 used. T&S V2 from 2008 is ~$US260 delivered.
At 04:33 AM 4/17/2015, Attila Kinali wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2015 08:24:38 +0000
"Poul-Henning Kamp" phk@phk.freebsd.dk wrote:
How does it compare to the gold standard of the Tietze&Schenk?
No idea.
If you know a bit of german, get yourself a copy of it.
You will love the in-depth explanations of the various
electronics compontents. Also you can use it to knock
out any burglar, should the need arise ;-)
You have to remember that not everybody here are professional
electronics
people, I'm a software person who knows enough electronics to be useful
without being dangerous, and I've certainly learned a lot from AOE3
over breakfast this past week.
True that. The AoE gives at least a nice overview of quite a few
electronics techniques. And probably not the worst thing you can
start with, when you are new to electronics.
That said, I kind of miss the amateur radio/electronics literature
that was so abundant in the 80s. They really did a good job of
introducing various circuits and how successfully build them if
you don't have any professional equipment.
Attila Kinali
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Try searching for the T&S V2 ISBN,
3540004297
$40 for the International Edition from a somewhat reputable seller.
Since this is an international list, I have no qualms about passing
this on. Whether you can stand the almost transparent paper and
smudgy ink is a different matter.
Orin.
On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 12:25 PM, Marv @ Home marvin.gozum@comcast.net wrote:
When AoE was released in 1980, the intended audience was electronics for a
non-EE major. How this morphed into an engineering text shows how what is
'core' has changed. It had a friendly style, akin to having a instructor
with you. AoE was best read in chapter sequence through the fundamentals,
and higher chapters expect readers to know material from previous chapters
without reference to it. On occasion it used concepts a jump forward but
could be figured out by cross referencing its index. It was a semester
course for us back in early 1980s.
AoE v2 updated more in the digital domain with many corrected errata and
typos from V1.
I'd wait for V3 2nd printing or later, as typos from 1st printing are being
reported as well as I read references to unpublished chapter "Xs" not in
this printing.
T&S is an excellent text, if you already know the material and just need a
refresher. It gets to the point quickly.
Only 2 T&S editions were translated to English; German has ?10+ editions.
The only edition I ever looked at in print was v1, and it was $180+ in
1990s, compared to $50 for AoE new, or $20+ used. T&S used in the USA is
harder to find, and few V1 I've seen sell near $100+.
Student or someone with a cursory interest, cost, writing style and similar
breadth could be a tie breaker, AoE V3 sells for ~$100 delivered, and V2
$20-30 used. T&S V2 from 2008 is ~$US260 delivered.
At 04:33 AM 4/17/2015, Attila Kinali wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2015 08:24:38 +0000
"Poul-Henning Kamp" phk@phk.freebsd.dk wrote:
How does it compare to the gold standard of the Tietze&Schenk?
No idea.
If you know a bit of german, get yourself a copy of it.
You will love the in-depth explanations of the various
electronics compontents. Also you can use it to knock
out any burglar, should the need arise ;-)
You have to remember that not everybody here are professional
electronics
people, I'm a software person who knows enough electronics to be useful
without being dangerous, and I've certainly learned a lot from AOE3
over breakfast this past week.
True that. The AoE gives at least a nice overview of quite a few
electronics techniques. And probably not the worst thing you can
start with, when you are new to electronics.
That said, I kind of miss the amateur radio/electronics literature
that was so abundant in the 80s. They really did a good job of
introducing various circuits and how successfully build them if
you don't have any professional equipment.
Attila Kinali
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